Piracy is bad!

[Neuromancer]

I feel the universe deserves an explanation from DEI as to why we feel justified in performing group multi drops on anyone who so much as shoots at a ship of ours. Sure we have our ROE but at the heart of it all is our position on neutrality. Because we strive to be a neutral nation, one that distinguishes itself from the other empires and their stale conflicts of old, we expect to be left alone.

We do not attack others, therefore we find it appalling when we are attacked for no reason. We consider it an act of piracy. Pirates are the scum of the galaxy. Whoever said that it was normal in a wargame for the powerful to constantly prey upon the weak was a pirate himself. Piracy is not OK. We feel fully justified to rid the galaxy of any pirate who thinks they can waylay us and get away with it.

I believe that EU2 offers the possibilty for powerful empires to exist without having to prey upon the weak for income. Of course war helps to alleviate the boredom and can sometimes fill the coffers too. There are other times when war is over in which new means of generating revenue is required. Raiding neutrals, ie. piracy, is not the only option for supplying a player with rez.

[-CobraOne-]

Honestly???? For a second there I thought you were being serious.

As a guy (when I was a Newb) who has been planet robbed on more than one occasion by "Neuro" for no reason other than I was a newb - I can honestly say that there are very few players in this game I would more wish to see being pirated.

Your "neutrality" and "who so ever much as shoots at a ship of ours" explanations are difficult to understand. I would honestly question your motives if you think that the post you have offered in anyway explains or condones your previous actions.

[alenny]

Neuromancer was talking abbout our new RoE Cobra, not about previous raids in times of TF.
Always those are complaining the most, which feels touched by the previous statements, thats funny....

[-CobraOne-]

Read it twice and it still didnt make any sense the 2nd time

You seem to think that suddenly changing your ROE from pirate to neutral good-guy automatically makes your previous actions null and void - sorry it does not.

I hope this change of heart lasts and that you dont suddenly revert to piracy once life in EU2 becomes a bit boring. I for one will be happy to judge you by your future actions and give you the benfit of the doubt but i suspect this change will be short lived. I just hope I am wrong.

Good Luck with it anyway.

[zero_death]

Actually the new ROE do make previous raids null and void, people change and change there game play. So you would rather us be pirates?? thought not. Do you even have a point cobra? because i cant see that you do.

[Neuromancer]

I can acknowledge cobra's complaints - but really it was total war as the underdogs that changed my ways. The wars for us ended almost 2 months ago and raiding neutrals completely lost its charm; it left a bad taste. Its true that i grew up in the Trade Federation, and learned my first morals from them, but those days are long since past. The server has matured along with its players. DEI tries to be ahead of the curve. I am not advocating an end to piracy, for if that were the case, then who would the pirate killers have left to kill?
Lastly, DEI is not your typical dictatorship. Change is not something that happens by the issuance of a new directive. This new stance of ours on the use of violence, and our ROE, is taking some getting used to. There are a lot of kinks still to work out and none of the changes so far implemented have been easy. But do I think we could ever go back to just attacking whomever we please? Never.

[soulless]

well necro i wish you good luck with this good to see another emp take up CCS's position

[knightshade]

Well done DEI I hope you stick at it...

[-CobraOne-]

The point I am making Zero is that when it suited DEI to be pirates (before your time I believe) that was all well and good for DEI - not so for the individuals like myself who were Newbs at the time and who were repeatedly smashed on a daily basis by DEI for no reason other than I could be hit and I did not have a large empire to back me up.

It took me 6 months of constantly rebuilding that 1 NH miner in the hope it could get a load back to my base to build another NH before DEI smashed it before I was able to advance out of the EU2 stone-age. I take it your experience in the game has been slightly better than mine - so be thankful.

The point made by Neuro on the reasons for your change I understand, accept and welcome. What I am saying though is that lots of players (myself included from past experience) still have one eye on DEI as a pirate outfit and it will take a long while before that mantle is lifted - I for one am more than willing to let what has passed stay in the past and I therefore wish you all the best of luck that things work out exactly as you wish, if I can help you in anyway I would be more than willing to do so.

And in response to your other comment: "So you would rather us be pirates?? thought not." Honestly - look at my profile and ask yourself if there is a single player in DEI that I fear. Plenty that I respect - Neuro most of all - but fear - none. It would actually not bother me in the slightest if you were pirates. Ask Gits and Irish who sent his warfleet of 21 ships and attacked 550 of their ships single handed (I lost one and retreated) and then ask yourself again if I would care if you were pirates or not.

[Commedore_BD]

The point I am making Zero is that when it suited DEI to be pirates (before your time I believe) that was all well and good for DEI - not so for the individuals like myself who were Newbs at the time and who were repeatedly smashed on a daily basis by DEI for no reason other than I could be hit and I did not have a large empire to back me up.

It took me 6 months of constantly rebuilding that 1 NH miner in the hope it could get a load back to my base to build another NH before DEI smashed it before I was able to advance out of the EU2 stone-age. I take it your experience in the game has been slightly better than mine - so be thankful.

The point made by Neuro on the reasons for your change I understand, accept and welcome. What I am saying though is that lots of players (myself included from past experience) still have one eye on DEI as a pirate outfit and it will take a long while before that mantle is lifted - I for one am more than willing to let what has passed stay in the past and I therefore wish you all the best of luck that things work out exactly as you wish, if I can help you in anyway I would be more than willing to do so.

And in response to your other comment: "So you would rather us be pirates?? thought not." Honestly - look at my profile and ask yourself if there is a single player in DEI that I fear. Plenty that I respect - Neuro most of all - but fear - none. It would actually not bother me in the slightest if you were pirates. Ask Gits and Irish who sent his warfleet of 21 ships and attacked 550 of their ships single handed (I lost one and retreated) and then ask yourself again if I would care if you were pirates or not.

cobra grow up or shut up

a) you dont need to fear a single player in DEI - u need to fear DEI as a team we are nearly unstoppable

b) we dont care about you caring or not caring if we are pirates or not - this threads purpose is to say DEI are not pirates and we recommend that you follow the same path... What we care about is teh growth of teh server - piracy against newbies (whitch u give a nice example of) is wrong and finally 1 empire in teh server sees that

c) but we have taken that further and said we will not do any piracy because we are now an upstanding empire

what matters now is teh present and dei are now an anti-piracy empire


live with it

[knightshade]

Ask Gits and Irish who sent his warfleet of 21 ships and attacked 550 of their ships single handed (I lost one and retreated) and then ask yourself again if I would care if you were pirates or not.

Cobra I believe that was a failed propaganda attempt rather than bravery.
It would have been brave if you'd stayed in and seen how many of us you could've taken down but to turn up, kill some small fighters and run, is not really bravery in my book.
I'm sure in a fair fight you would stand your ground like the best of us, but this was little more than an attempted morale booster for your empire.
Don't dress it up to be something it's not...

[-CobraOne-]

Ok - you have said your piece and I have said mine.

At the end of the day I do applaud DEI's change in stance and I do hope that more follow suit. Someone has to actually do it first for it to work so good luck.

[DeVa5TaToR]

Cobra, what exactly is your prestige rating? -500 or more? You've done your bit of raiding newbs as have we all. This whole thing about DEI is pointless as every emp has raided newbs..

[Reddo]

/sigh, a universe of neutrality (if that is a word) is a boring one! Where is the fun in sitting there, day in, day out, doing absolutely nothing thrill-worthy?
Besides, lifes unfair isnt it?
I was played this in the fight against the 5, who strove for a universe without pirates. Now look where that got us. Yes, some people are scared to attack others or just want to be peaceful, but you will ALWAYS have some people wanting a little fun of their own.
Trust me, if you acted as a pirate, which you probably have done already, its not all bad!

[Dan_The_Barbarian]

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Date 09.08.2010 20:47
Coordinates 2078-88-23-97
Player Dan_The_Barbarian (Loss)
Enemy OrionsSword (Victory)

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This is a copy of a DEI pirate raid on 1 of my colonies.
Im allowed to return the favour according to the TNO rules of engagement,so i did.
As i was completing my retaliation on this pirate,4 DEI combat fleets turned up to defend their member.Of course i stood no chance and had to get the heck outta there!
So DEI show that they do pirate ,that they dont mind their members raiding neutral players.They even support their pirate members if it benefits them!So from now on any DEI fleet i see,i will kill.At least then the players of this server will have 1 less pirate to worry about!
Till the next time DEI i cant wait!